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June 14, 2022

Let's Book Clients.

Episode 128:

We ARE Brighter Together!

Welcome! I have a super extra special treat for you on the show today. I have Jamie Bright with We Are Brighter Together.

Jamie is going to talk to us about making the most of your connections and relationships.

How to build your business in a non spammy way without ruining relationships or having to cold DM people with pitches. And it's kind of a Meta-Moment here because we have a free guide that Jamie and I are both working together on, it is tips about how to get reviews and then what to do with your reviews once you have them.

Jamie's contribution is real today. She is making her contribution here on the podcast. And then it will also be in the guide. So super, super cool. And Jamie has some points for you to get started.

So the really first thing that I would be looking at, if you want to get good reviews and stories so that other people see that you're amazing to work with and they want to work with you, you have to provide an awesome experience.

The easiest way to do this is really quite simple. Exceed expectations. We really judge our experience of something based on what we expect it to be. So Christmas is a great example for my kids. If they are expecting to the normal Christmas thing. And I surprised them and say, Hey, we're going to go to Disney world or something like that.

They're going to be thrilled because it's like way above and beyond what they're expecting. So with our clients, if we can think about, okay, what are they actually expecting us to provide? And how can we go above and beyond that?

Because when we do, then they're thrilled. They're happy. They want to share, they want to give us these awesome reviews. So if we just meet their expectations and do what they're expecting, they won't be unhappy, but they won't be as likely to actually give us those really awesome reviews that we're all looking for. And if we don't meet their expectations, they're not going to be happy at all.

You've probably experienced that from time to time. Hopefully not very often, but it's, it's so simple. It's all about expectations. And so all you need to do here. Sit down and think about what it's like when you're working with your clients and say, where are the points in the day or in the experience or whatever it is, where I can go above and beyond to anticipate a need and provide something for them.

That's going to be above what they were expecting. So years ago I used to be a wedding photographer and I've photographed many, many, many weddings. And one of the really simple things I would do is I would put a lot of extra bobby pins in the top of my head and my hair as I was photographing the weddings.

And it all is kind of goofy because, you know, they'd all kind of be in the same area, but gosh, not every wedding, but I would say at least every other wedding or two out of three weddings, either the bride or a bridesmaid. Somebody had some sort of hair mishap and often had those bobby pins right there where I could be like, oh, here take this.

This was huge to them. They were not expecting that. And so it went a long way and I would have people talking about that to their friends later on. Which ended up getting me referrals for their weddings, their friend's weddings, because they weren't expecting a photographer to be able to step in and fix something little, like give them a bobby pin to fix their hair in that way.

So anytime you can think about those moments where they're working with you, where you can go above and beyond, anticipate where there may be struggles or common things that hold them back. And you can really just make it a little better, or you can think about how can I take this and really make it phenomenal.

So if you're a wedding photographer, another thing we would do is we would bring a cooler of ice water because inevitably when we are doing the photos between the wedding and the reception on hot summer day, Somebody would be thirsty. And so it was easy for us to roll behind with us and we could provide them with some water and snacks and no, if they didn't ask for it, no, they didn't always need it.

But having it there just really showed that we were willing to go above and beyond. So that's a couple of simple ideas there, but if you think about the service that you're providing and those areas, it's really easy to provide an amazing experience without a lot of. Simply by exceeding those expectations.

And those things are so simple on our end, as the provider, and then doing something to make it memorable, like pulling it out of your hair. Like everybody's going to remember that that was you and rolling that cooler behind you is so memorable, but that is huge for them. Like a hair emergency is a big, big, big deal, huge deal.

Having a bobby pin is a small thing, so it doesn't have to be big

to make a giant impact. No, it doesn't. The other little tip here too, is that people, um, this, this is an extra bonus tip for you, Michelle. I didn't run this one by you earlier, but love it. There's a book called The Power of Moments by Heath and Heath, they're brothers.

And they've done studies and they've shown that people will actually rate their experience based on either the higher, low point of the experience and then the end. So if you can also think about a really memorable way to end your time working with them and kind of exceed their expectations right at the end, that can be a really powerful way to help them feel like you really care as well.

I'm not a painter, but say you're a house painter and you, you know, you paint this beautiful house. If you go above and beyond at the end to make sure that everything is put back nicely and maybe you wash the windows as well, or you go above and beyond with that at the end, they're like, oh my goodness, you really finished well, and they're, they're blown away at that end point.

It's amazing. Whereas if you left all the furniture all over and yeah, it was beautiful, but everything's still kind of around. Then people aren't going to feel as awesome about it. They're like, yeah, the painting is great. And they might still refer you. You it's like that last taste in their mouth of working with you.

And so sometimes looking at what does it look like at the very end when you're finishing up your work for them and how can you make that an incredible experience at that moment? That's really powerful.

That is really powerful. And it's something we forget so easily because the next people are coming in line and it's easy to think that you're finished and get to the next people.

And you're just not finished yet. That's, it's something that a lot of people don't do and it's something that really makes you stand out and it doesn't take much. I mean, I used to give $25 of print credit to each family. Like the bride's parents and the groom's parents. And if there were some parents and I was just like, Hey, everybody deserves to have a beautiful print of this day.

And it was enough for them to get a single eight by 10 for free. But they never only got the eight by 10. They always got more and it was a beautiful way to end that benefited them, leaving them feeling happy about it. Because I didn't have to buy anything, it also benefited me because they always ended up buying a lot more in the shop afterwards because now they were thinking about which one do I want?

And oh, I want all of these. And, it was kind of neat if you can think about how to end well and just really blow their socks off. It's really a wonderful thing that is genius to serve the family too, because. I mean, making them happy is going to make them your biggest cheerleader to your client.

And then you just expanded your reach on that one client. Totally. Yeah. And they, they have their friends are all, their friends who have kids at similar ages are going to be getting married as well. And a lot of times the family is a big part of helping plan. So I mean, that's for weddings, but it works in other areas too.

All right. So once you have this amazing experience and they're ready to shout from the rooftops about you a lot of people will just say, Hey, can I get a review? Now I switched this from asking for a review to asking if I could feature them. To my other clients. And so this does a couple of different things.

One, it implies that you're going to be sharing it. So you don't have to ask them if you can share it again, which is awesome too. Everyone loves being featured. We want to be an inspiration for others. And if we had a great experience working with somebody, we're happy to promote them during that.

When we're featured, it has a different feel than a review. Like you might actually send friends and family to see this feature that you were in versus you're not going to send friends and family to go check out the review you wrote for me. Right. And so it's just, it's a subtle change in language.

It's a really powerful way to do it, and you'll get a lot more yeses than nos. And you also can get a little bit more in depth information from them. It still doesn't have to be hard. It still doesn't have to take a lot, a lot of time. In fact, I use a little app called video ask that allows me to capture these features really fast and easy.

And Michelle, I know you use that as well, correct? Yeah, it's, it's a wonderful little tool. And what I do is I set up basically five questions for people to answer, to be featured. And so you ask a question and then it allows them to respond in video or audio or text. Although for features, I would turn off the audio or text only, you can set it just to respond and video and they can do it right from their phone.

They can do it from their computer. It's as easy as touching a button, it's very simple.

I love this because we talk about reviews a lot because that's what I think we're conditioned to want to get, but it really just invites more of a story.

And even the word feature invites it to be a story, which is what we really want. And the video asking the five questions I can't wait to hear.

Okay. I think it's not wrong to ask for reviews either. I think actually right after getting this feature, it's totally cool to put in something at the end that says, Hey, thank you so much.

Would you also be willing to review and then give them a link right then and there, as they're finishing. Doing this feature with you to go and leave the review as well. So you could actually do both of them at the same time, but I like to start with the feature because I just think it's a lot easier for people to say yes.

So here's the five questions that I normally ask and, um, you can adjust them. Sometimes they add a couple more whatever, but the basic goal is you want to show the difference between where they are. What it was like to work with you and where they were, where they are now. When you can show that contrast and that gap, it helps other people who are at that beginning stage, who can identify with where they were beforehand to say, oh, this could be what I get to, and these could be the results that I have as well.

So I'm going to stick with the wedding industry kind of as an example, but you can really use these in any business. I use them in my masterminds that I run for online entrepreneurs. I've used them with photographers when I was teaching personal brand photography, you can use them really anywhere.

Here's the five questions. And the other thing is that you give them the question. And then a little bonus tip here is that you actually tell them what to say to start it out. Because a lot of times people are like, well, what do I say? If you give them that starting a sentence that kind of reframes the question, then you can also use these little video snippets from each question as stand alone social proof on your website.

And I'll talk about that in a moment, but here's the question.

1. What were things like before working with Jamie? I'm gonna use my name as an example. And why did you decide to work with Jamie? So you might say, “Before deciding to hire Jamie ___________________. I then have them fill in the blank.

So that'll be different for you depending on if you're working with entrepreneurs or if you're working with brides or you're working with people who are looking to build a website, whatever your services, it depends. What were things like before and why did they decide to hire you?

It's also really great information for you to know what really resonates in your sales messaging.

2. What was it like working with me? And then you just tell them to say, “Working with Jamie was ________________, and then fill in the blank or what it was.

3. What kind of amazing results did you get, and just explain that this is where you really want to feature them and their experience and how it felt, and really try and get them to bring the emotion into this. So the sentence you might give them is: what happened because I chose to work with Jamie and then let them go on and talk about themselves and just let them know this is about them. This question specifically is about how everything went for them. This is the main feature part. So it doesn't feel like it's just, Jamie's awesome. Even though, you know, we all like to think we are, right? And we are because we created an awesome experience that we talked about in the last point.

4. What would you say to somebody who's also considering hiring Jamie, but isn't sure if it's worth the money or if they'd be a good fit or whatever it is and that one, I would have them start by saying: If you're thinking about hiring Jamie, but you're not sure, and then let them finish the sentence. This is so powerful because they're going to actually tell other people that they should totally take the leap and why it was worth it for them, which is going to make other people feel more likely to want to work with you.

5. Is there anything else you want to share? And I tell them anything goes here and this one, I do not give them a prompt for, and I tell them it's optional, but this is where some of the best praise comes in for me personally, or working with my team or whomever.

Sometimes there's things that don't fit within those first four questions that they really want to share. That's really powerful. And this gives them an opportunity to do that. Is this similar to what you ask Michelle?

I think our last question is exactly the same, but I am guilty of not giving them something to start with.

Just genius. It makes it easy because then if you're using videos, for example, you actually get each of these videos as a separate little section, and then you can merge them together using a script, which is a super easy software.

There's lots of options out there these days. I like to use the “if you're thinking about it, but you weren't sure ones” on say the pricing page or when they're making some really key buying decisions and show those videos. If you're doing a one-on-one consultation with them, that might be a great thing to pull up and show them right then and there, when they're thinking about it and looking through things.

It just makes it so they don't have to hear all of it in order to see what's relevant to them. So then once you've got these, obviously you need to use them.

And so that's really where I was going with it. This is what you want, there's two places you want to put them.

1. you want to put them anywhere that somebody is making a decision. So I definitely would want them to be on the homepage to see, cause they're trying to decide. Should I dig more into working with this person.

If you've got a website with a homepage or a landing page of some sort, you definitely want them there. You want to have them anywhere. There's a call to action. Hey, click here to book a call, click here to learn more, any of those safe places where they have to decide, am I going to click or am I not?

Am I going to book a call? Am I not? Any of these places are key places to put these features or these testimonials, you can use a little clip or you can use the whole thing. You can grab a quote from it. Whatever it is. Also you can use these on social media. So these would make great reels or real snippets.

If you want to piece a couple of them together, because people may be going to your Instagram to check out your work. And anytime you can not only show them your work, but also like what it's like to work with you.

You want to have those mixed in with information about what you do so that they can pick up on this. You know, like when you go to Amazon to buy something, you read the reviews to make sure it's not junk. They want to see some of these features. They want to see stories. The people with the best experiences and the best stories tend to win the clients.

Put them anywhere that you need, people are making a decision and then second, you definitely also want to put them in a database. I recommend air table. It's free to use. It allows you to have them all in one place. And it might not seem like a very big deal right now, but when you have a client that you're speaking to, who needs to hear one of these, like a specific one, if you can't pull it up easily and find it quickly, it's really frustrating.

This allows you to save them. You can categorize them by the type of client that they are. Maybe you're a DJ and you work weddings, but you also work bar mitzvahs or other things.

So you can actually have them categorized by the different types of clients. I like to also categorize them by the hesitation or objection that they overcome. So if somebody talks about how I was nervous about making that investment, like for my mastermind, my mastermind is a five figure mastermind.

If people join that and they get a great experience and they give me a testimonial about how they made their money back several times over that's really valuable for me. And it's going to overcome somebody else's objections. Somebody who's thinking, I don't know if it's really worth the money.

They could be thinking… What exactly is a mastermind? What am I going to get? It's a different thing. Having that handy and easily accessible and categorized by the type of client, as well as the objection is really powerful and you can also add links to where it is.

Or if you want the little pieces of video right then and there on air table, it can all be right there for you. Don't skip this step because if you have it and you lose it, you're missing out on so much power. These are so powerful.

The final thing that I have, the big thing. We talked about creating the magical experience. We talked about asking to feature people and what to do with them instead of just asking for the review.

The final point that I'd love to share is don't be afraid to ask for the referral directly from the clients, especially. If they've given you a feature, if they've given you a great review. Awesome people know other awesome people. And I just straight up say that to people. In my mastermind, it has grown the most from word of mouth referrals.

And basically when somebody sends someone my way, they joined pretty much right away, which is huge, especially considering it's a five figure investment. They do this because they have so much trust from their friend who said, hey, this would be perfect for you. I'm in it. I love it. I've renewed. You should join us.

That's way more powerful than any lead magnet. They can find that any Instagram post from somebody they've never met, the trust that comes from that is massive. And so, what I like to do to make this not spammy.

People know other awesome people. And you were one of those clients that I just really loved working with. And so if you know somebody who needs a ______________ and then put whatever your label is. So if you're doing wedding photography, say if you know somebody who needs a wedding photographer, and then if you want to put filters on it, you can, you can say if you know, somebody who needs a wedding photographer, who's having an outdoor barn wedding.

I would love to work with them and then tell them what to do. Say, send them directly to my website or give them my email address and tell them to let me know that you sent them so I can treat them with extra special love, because you are an awesome client.

It'd be a great way to say thank you. I'm sure I would love working with them if there's somebody that you would recommend. Oftentimes if you give people a trigger, if you tell them, like when they should think of you. So somebody who's going to have a barn wedding, or, you know, whatever it is, a ballroom wedding at a hotel, or, you know, somebody who's looking to create a new website or whatever it is.

When you give them that trigger to think of you, it's like an association like, oh, I was just talking to this person who does this and then tell them what to do next. Here's her website and email, email her, contact her and tell her I sent her. Like you just told them what to do. So you make it easy for them.

They don't have to think about what to do. They already know and it makes it so easy. And then if they do send someone your way and make sure to surprise them with a little something, whether it's a handwritten, thank you note, and a little gift card.

Maybe you make it a little bit more formal, but you don't even have to, a lot of times people will do it. And if they get a surprise little gift in the mail or something after it blows their mind and makes them more willing to refer again in the future.

I find that just asking for a single referral, just like if you know someone who does, this is way easier and less pushy and less spammy than, hey, would you post about this on your Instagram?

If you did a feature or would you send people to the feature? Like if you want to send your friends to it, here's a link to the feature. Here's where I put you in front of my people. It doesn't have to be spammy and people love being seen.

And they are happy to refer you if they had a great experience with you. So don't be afraid to ask because so much potential comes from past clients. If they have that great experience, which is why we start there, they will be thrilled to send more people your way.

That takes away the spammy part immediately because they they've been over served you've ever delivered. So they're happy to.

I used to do a little bridal magazine years ago. I printed this 16 page bridal magazine that was like tips for your wedding day and how to pick a good, you know, different vendors.

And then it had my recommended vendors in there, some case studies and features from my current clients. When they would contact me through my website, I would say, hey, can I send you my free wedding planning magazine? And so if they clicked, yes, they gave me their address and I would always hand write a card and I'd throw some candy in there and then I'd send them a magazine in the mail.

It wasn't hard, it took some effort, but it was like the easiest, simplest thing to do ever. So there's your hot tip? Handwritten note with candy.

Back to VideoAsk, where do you like to ask for feedback with it?

So for people who aren't familiar with VideoAsk, what happens is you go, you click a link and you immediately see a video of you. So if you clicked one of my videos, links, you'd see me.

I explain what I'm looking for. And then on the overlay text, right on the video ask, I put the prompts that they should say. So I don't actually put the whole question there. I just put the, remember I said those sentences that I wanted them to start the prompt with. That's what I put there. And then below is a video button.

So they have to actually listen to the video or read the closed captioning to get the information, and then they click the button and do it.

It's a really fun way to start a conversation and get from somebody where they're hoping to go with you and working with you or get their vision or why they just immediately chose to work with you.

I have had multiple dozens of video asks. I do like to put them on, thank you pages for people who are buying things. A question would be, why did you decide to buy today? Because that's a testimony.

And it gives you insight as to what your most effective messaging was on your sales page, which is hugely valuable. If you see a bunch of people come through, who said I decided to buy, because you have experience with this, then you know that as you're promoting this in the future, you want to talk more about that experience because that's really powerful.

I do it for my mastermind. I give the link to people after they've been there for a couple of meetings and they see the value, I like to do it early on so that they can answer it. And then I like to do it again later if they've had some bigger, more meaningful results.

And when they have grown a lot deeper, you can capture those milestones with it. So getting people who just joined and are one month in and can say, gosh, this was worth it. I wasn't sure. They still remember what it was like before, because it's so free, recent, because we normalize our progress so quickly in our minds.

If you can do it quick, that's helpful,like when the excitement is high, when they're the most excited about something, definitely send it then either via email or however you communicate with them, I've also just posted it in my group said, Hey, if you got time, I would love it. If you do this, this would be great.

Or, I've asked people, can I send you a link? Would you be willing to do this? And then anywhere and everwhere. I also have embedded it into my products and freebies and things. In some of my stuff I'll ask for feedback and I'll put it in there. So it might not be like a testimonial at that point, but it might be a here's what I'm thinking about or here's the value I got.

It might be at each point, along the way, a place for them to say, here's the takeaways I got from this, because even a takeaway is like a testimonial, if it's a piece of content.

It's something interactive you can do with your PDFs and a way to just let them see who you are beyond a piece of paper or a printable.

Most people aren't feeling different. And so that way, the other thing is that I get to welcome them right away, which is different. So I can reply to somebody who fills out a form on a video. You get their information right there and you get a notification on your phone. And so you can grab your phone and send a personalized video, right there.

So when people download my opt-ins or buy something. I'll respond to them as quickly as I can if they fill it out.

When I'm on vacation a couple of days or over a weekend or whatever, I'll say, Hey, I saw you downloaded this a couple of days ago. Just wanted to check in and see if you had a chance to look at it yet. It's just so easy. And people are like, oh my goodness, you actually messaged me.

Everything is win-win about it. Yup. And for me, I'm not looking for large numbers. I don't know. I don't need thousands of clients in the current business model that I'm doing. I mean, if I have a hundred clients, that's a million dollar business, so I don't need a lot.

And so for me having that personal interaction that can really build that trust in a deep way, right off the bat is really key. And there's some kind of key moments where you can stand apart from your competition by using. I mean, if I was still doing wedding photography, I would only do things via video ask and I would get some information up front from people so that my reply could be really specific to what they're looking for.

And it can really go beyond just an email that's going to get lost and you can even have a booking link, like a Calendly booking link, right in the video. So as soon as they answer the questions, they can book a time to meet with you. If you’re providing a service, I can't recommend video ask enough.

It's really amazing. It gives you a really good and complete experience with your client when you have started it out with a video ask, because you really do get what their vision is and you just really are standing out while other people aren't using it.

And they want to know that they can trust you. They don't have to send a video if they don't want, they can reply via video if they want to. They can also reply via text or audio only. And it's just such a beautiful platform and people.

I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've had people say, oh my gosh, I can't believe you just sent me a video. That is so cool.

We're giant cheerleaders for video ask. Here's the thing about it. It's full featured for free up until I think once you get to a certain amount of minutes that are, that people reply back or that you use, or it's some kind of minutes that are used, that it becomes paid, but up until then, it's totally free.

So you can try it out. And I mean, there's nothing to it. Now you can build quizzes in it. You can do it, they've got all sorts of stuff. If you want to get geeky with it, but more than anything, it's just a really great way to add real personalization to your business. And that's so key if you're doing anything that requires trust.

If you're in the wedding industry, people are spending a ton of money on their wedding and they really want to know they can trust their vendors and the people they're working with.

It’s great for any kind of service provider. Going back to the house painter example, I mean, can you imagine if you could actually not just call a random number and hope they respond instead of having to chase them down, you could just be like, oh my gosh, they responded to me and they sent a video and they talked directly to who is going to be in your home.

I don't even worry about what I look like when I send videos. I've done it while working out where I'm like, all sweaty and like, whatever. And I'm like, hey, I'm on a run. And I just saw that you responded. I just want to say hi and welcome. And dah, dah, dah, and just, you know, I'd love to hear a little more about you and I find that I get really response when it’s authentic like that.

People are more likely to respond with video if you're not polished. I like to work for my bathtub, I have podcasted from the bathroom, not today for your sake, but my private podcast, I totally record in the bathtub sometimes.

And I just, I just tell people and people get a kick out of it. It’s fantastic. You know, it's a lot of weight to always feel like they have to be polished. So if you can model that for your clients and be like, yeah, I'm sweaty and I would love to hear from you, you know, don't worry about how you look or where you're at.

It's just, for me, we're not going to publish this anywhere, but I'd love to hear for you. If you have a moment it's super easy.

All my opt-ins are video asks. I have a brighter together challenge, which is brighter togetherchallenge.com. It's an email based challenge that you opt into. It will walk you through how to make the most of the relationships you have. Like today, we talked about how to get more clients from past clients by getting featured, getting reviews and really using them strategically and then asking for referrals.

This challenge is going to walk you through what are the other opportunities that you have to grow your business through the relationships you've already got without it being spammy, without it being cold DM-ing people in ways that are going to make it uncomfortable, and doing it in a way that actually strengthens your relationship and doesn't hurt it because a lot of people are afraid to ask for favors or for help or whatever else, because they're afraid they're going to use a favor up that maybe they want to use in the future or something else.

It doesn't have to be that way at all. You're not annoying people. You can go there and you'll see my video ask all about it and you can opt in there.

And I do reply to every single video ask at this point of recording. Not always immediately, but as soon as I'm able and I would love to show them.

The challenge starts the moment they sign up, it's going to be binge-worthy.

I get excited when I can go all in and I binge and I just do everything. If not, I kind of forget about it and don't come back to it. I don't want that for people. I want them to be able to do it however they want to do it.

Remember we’re breaking down these points and they’ll be in our free magazine style guide at www.letsgetreviews.com

You will find even more of Jamie's genius in there. You're going to love it. And there's a video ask in there too, so you can see it in action.

Jamie do you have an affiliate link to VideoAsk? I do it's getsvideoask.com. It is an affiliate link, but I know Michelle also has one in her guide.

So take your pick.

You just pick from all the goodness. Jamie. Thank you. This was a blast.